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What's up?

Postby nwc2001 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:48 am

Hey Anchorcove,

Just popping in to say hi... I haven't been on here in a while (I check LG15Today regularly thought) - I've been pretty busy writing several new pilots which we're planning to get made shortly.

So... I'm wondering - if OzGirl Season 2 were to come about - what would you guys want to see done or done differently? How long would you want each episode? How many episodes in the season? Would you want to see more characters, if so what stories would you want to see played out?

Hope all's well in the Cove. :)
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Re: What's up?

Postby Mathieas » Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:00 pm

Well, one thing I would like to see is the resolution of the Tony arc. I've heard you say a few times that OzGirl is like the Hills, so if Sophie is Lauren Conrad and Megan is Audrina Patridge then Tony would probably be Spencer Pratt (he certainly is douche enough). A good villain is always useful.

Also, Sadie has pretty much mastered big city life, so she's ready for new challenges. I know ya'll don't have the budget for it, but when ya'll were in LA I thought that would have been the perfect setting for season 2. A poor country girl for Australia trying to make it in Hollywood...that's got drama written all over it. I don't know maybe you can slap an LG15 on the front of it and take EQAL's money... at this point I think Nick could film a tree stump and win.
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Re: What's up?

Postby milowent » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:33 am

nwc2001 wrote:So... I'm wondering - if OzGirl Season 2 were to come about - what would you guys want to see done or done differently? How long would you want each episode? How many episodes in the season? Would you want to see more characters, if so what stories would you want to see played out?


i'm a fan of the 5 minutes or less length.

in terms of # of eps, we are seeing lots of "series" now that are 5-6 eps -- those aren't really series, they are a 1 hour story broken down into snippets. 15-20 eps seems to be long enough to tell a movie-length story instead of a TV pilot.

in terms of stories -- geez, i don't know. season 1 had a good mix of drama and humor i thought.
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Re: What's up?

Postby veela-valoom » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:32 pm

You've already got the most important thing, a main character that is realistic and the audience relates to. I think the most important thing is not to lose Sadie's likability.
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Re: What's up?

Postby TAIG » Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:05 pm

While it is not my habit to agree with anyone I will break tradition by agreeing with Mathies...I'd like the Tony thing wrapped up OR become a sinister backstory that might be cool. I'm sorry but that's all the agreeing I can force out of myself in one night
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Re: What's up?

Postby TAIG » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:30 pm

Hey Mathies...this isprobably not the right place to start with this but it doesn't look like there is enough going on to worry aout organizing things...

Your avatar (and this is not a reflection on you neccessarily) is somewhat disturbng. In general. To me it really represents so many of the moral and socio-political problems faced by the world. The most glaring and perhaps the most disheartening is the cynical hypocricy of our culture - not just American culture, but world-wide.

Here is a thirteen (maybe) year old girl gyrating as well as any stripper I've seen (and admittedly I've seen a few, although they have all been over 18 and most older than 21) in frnt of an enormous Americanc flag. This girl Miley Cyrus - the daughter of some manufactured C&W musician isbeing foisted upon us as the all-american girl nex door. It isn't really neccessary to go into much detail here, although I think I'll take a stabat it elsewhere, but clearly somethings totally fucked up here. The abscence of music in the avatar emphasizes the hyper-sexualization of this child.I'm sure that was not your intent. In fact, it took me a few minutes to really pinpoint what it was that bothered me about it. It occurred to me that you could (and these days they do really) slap just about any soundtrack on that video clip and sell a million copies. The flag, the apple-cheeked make up, the oh so carefully chosen wardrobe and the (not really) subliminal sexuality ofher dancing cobine to produce an image that is socially acceptable, yet humanely impossible and we are expected to accept as though it is ok. If one dares to suggest there is any prurient undertone here, the spin doctors have already set things up so that they can accuse me of being a dirty old man (which I guess I am) and that I should be ashamed of myself for thinking that way about such a young girl. "Listen to the lyrics" they'll say and point out that it is just innocent "boy meets girl" bubble gum stuff - the same stuff Sandra Dee was crooning back in the 50's.

We know that's not true, butit is so convenient to dismiss any objections by associating them with the reactionary objections of McCarthyism and the phonyness of 60's TV' All American Home. That argument has been used so much and for so many things that it just doesn't work anymore. The decadence of today's society is far more pornographic than anything Elvis' hips could have conjourned and while it may betrue that kids have been having sex in the back seat since the first cars rolled off the assembly line -well, at least you had to be 16 to get a liscence. What I'm suggesting is that was fun, liberating, progressive and educating to pull back the curtains on real life and expose the hypocricy life inthe 50's but now it is time to do something much more dangerous. It's time to pull back the curtain and expose the hypocircy of the post-industrial society.

We like to pretend that everything is ok and sweep any unpleasentness under the rug. In the 50's ad 60's we were masters of it. We still are; but now we live as though the unpleasentness is our reality and we are quick - way too quick - to sweep any attempt, any effort to establish standards decency nd responsibility under the rug and argue that there is NO standard, nop universally acceptable limit or guidning principle.

I think that's wrong. I think that if we don't establish, indoctrinate and enforce some minimum standard of what is acceptable and what can notbe allowed than we are indeed doomedto drown in our own filth.

I gotta go, but before I do it's important (althoughit really shouldn't be) that I emphasize my agnosticism here. I'm not suggesting a national religion or moral police force. In fact I don't think any beauracracy is capable of managing the disaster we are facing. The damage is to deep, it is systemic, the cure can not come from the infected body that is our society. I think the cure is only available by forces outside the control of todays society.
Should we burn it down and start all over again? I don't know. Maybe we can talk about it before everything catches fire accidnetally.

Merry Christmas everyone! and Happy Happy New Year

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btw...I wrote thisearlier and then came back after midnite to edit it - big mistake...I can not find the spell-check anyplace and I can really use it just now..gramar check would be nice too...oh well. good night again everyon
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Re: What's up?

Postby curiousgeorge » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:34 pm

TAIG wrote:Psuedo Lucid Ranting with just enough of a grain of truth to make it interesting to read.


Ahhh Slainte reappears in fine form. The Ghost of LG15 Past :D !

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Re: What's up?

Postby Mathieas » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:09 pm

It for the video Party in the USA, which Milo parodied for Party in the Breeniverse and is the reason I put it up. Plus I have this running joke in breefm about requesting Miley Cyrus songs, its funny you have to be there.

Second, I tried to read the whole rant, I really did, and I am actually proud of how far I got, but somewhere around the last paragraph or so my eyes rolled into the back of my head as I fell to the ground in an epileptic seizure; however, as I flopped about for a good 10 minutes, it gave me time to reflect on your comments.

To an extent I agree with you assertions, decency has become all too uncommon. Yesterday, I watched the entire run of a British show called Misfits on the advice of Glenn Rubenstein. This is a show that really irritated me, in that it presented the protagonists, a group of crude vile rude delinquents, as heroes. In fact, the last episode was about an evil girl who used her super power, the show has super powers, to make kids behave decently and there was the typical attitude that if a young person isn't drinking and screwing around then they are abnormal (that was actually part of the 'heroic speech' by the pot smoking rude vile leader of the Misfits group.) My point? There has been a steady decline in decency and decorum in society. People no longer by-and-large take responsibility for their own actions or consider the effect their actions have on others. People no longer think twice about swearing in public, the crudest topics are considered fodder for entertainment, base people are exalted as iconic figures.

However, I must disagree with your assertion about Miley Cyrus. Guys like looking at pretty girls (the topic of whether or not chimpunk-face Miley Cyrus is pretty is a topic for another discussion.) Her particular video, in this instance, is not displaying her in a base way. Obviously, everything from wardrobe to choreography to editing was carefully crafted to present a 'pleasing' image. But I assert what is wrong with that? What is wrong with her using her looks as part of her entertainment package? Attractiveness is a talent, nah I would argue it is more a skill given the amount of time and effort required to create and maintain said attractiveness.

From a purely economic standpoint its about maximizing resources and capital expenditures to achieve optimal efficiency. What is the difference between a person who spends 4 hours a day sculpting an impressive physique and a person who spends 4 hours a day studying a given subject in school? Granted, society stigmatizes the former and encourages the later, but I would argue that, that is a poor allocation of resources.

Take the supermodel. A cursory examination into the majority of them reveals that they lack a certain predilection towards academic achievement. In short, most of them are as dumb as a bag of rocks. However, through genetics, and perhaps a lack of food in their Eastern European village, they have marketable skills in the modeling industry. What if society forced them to spend the time they would have used perfecting and maximizing those talents into pursuing an academic discipline for which they had no talent? In summary, attractiveness is a skill and there is no reason one should not fully use it to one's advantage.

In the music profession, to use a closer analogy, there are singers who are more gifted vocally than other singers. Lea Michele, star of Glee, is a fantastic singer who's talent is rivaled by few. She could easily just stand there in a burka and sing, and it would be a moving and entertaining performance. Miley Cyrus and few, if any, pop stars can do that; therefore, they need to offer something more; they must enhance their performance. Most people who attend a Britney Spears concert are aware of the fact that she is lip-singing to a studio-enhanced recording of her voice, yet they attend in droves. Why? because they go for the show, for the spectacle. If Britney Spears were a more gifted singer, then she wouldn't need as much of a 'show'; however, she isn't so she does.

One last example, The Celtic woman, a very popular music group comprised of 5 very gifted classically trained singers, each are capable of holding their own against the world's best singers, yet if one watches their concerts one will notice one immediately obvious fact, they are hot! Do evening gowns and hours in the gym enhance their vocal performance? No, but it does enhance the visual aspects of 'the show' not to mention making the group as a whole more marketable and therefore more profitable.

For the aforementioned reasons I must asset that there is no reason for an entertainer not to use their physical attractiveness as part of their profession. Physical attractiveness requires not just talent but hardwork, dedication, and a certain degree of skill. It is a talent that must be honed just like any other talent be it musical, intellectual, or athletic. To decry performers for using this skill or to say they are wrong for using the benefits derived from it is not only short-sighted, but a poor allocation of resources.
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Re: What's up?

Postby ApotheosisAZ » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:01 pm

TAIG wrote:Should we burn it down and start all over again?

Merry Christmas everyone! and Happy Happy New Year

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Re: What's up?

Postby TAIG » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:12 am

Pleaseplease please forgive my spelling,my arthritisis killingmeand I can't findt hedamn spell check...sorry


Mathieas wrote:
Second, I tried to read the whole rant, I really did, and I am actually proud of how far I got, but somewhere around the last paragraph or so my eyes rolled into the back of my head as I fell to the ground in an epileptic seizure; however, as I flopped about for a good 10 minutes, it gave me time to reflect on your comments.


Mathies. I am sorry to hearof your neurological problem. However, it deos answer a few questions I've had. Still, I'd like to thank you for doing your best to muddle through what parts you could and I was even more pleased to see that those parts you were able to read you found agreeable. May I suggest that you takea little more time in your reading, or if that is impossible perhaps you could have a friend help you through the more difficult passages. You might also feelfree to contact me confidentially if you feel you need help in understanding the language grammar or logical parsing of the argument. I wont hand you a loaded gun of couorse, but I'm more than happy to tryand make my arguments a little more elementary without embarissingyou in front of everyone. Please rest assured any PM's will be held in the strictiest confidence.

I typically do not address my comments here to those who frequent the forum. I find they have little patiencefordeeper consideration of the implications and subtlties of the genre and even less time or patience fordiscussing them. When I do have something I feel those in the forum might beneftit from membersI am comfortable soing that (opnce again the "democracy" of English allows usto communicateo penely with people of all classes. It has also been my experience that they are the type who much less interested in what's in the package than they are in how pretty the packaging is.

Well, once again, it's late and I just on't have the stamina for the diatribe I once revelled in (and I can't find thespell checker and THAT must be every irritating for people). Keep up the good work Miathies. Stick with it. You may find that you canunderstand more and more of what you read here and one day you'll be able to present a cogent argument. In the meantime, since you seem so happy about haveingbeen repatrated to the Phorum thenI say "Lay On McDuff" spend as much time there asyou feelcomfortable with. When your tie is to beer-stained to recognize the color anymore, go home, have a wash and a shave , put on a fresh plo shirt and some nice kahkis and join us for aManhattan, Martini, or perhaps a Cosmo is more to your liking - there's no "judging here" wellnot a lot at least. :twisted:

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